so the economy gets better. more comprehensive idea and. fha and 61, but tries accordingly -- [inaudible] down payments, bones are sustainable. so once we go back to normal times, whenever that is, we have the conversation. >> this debate has gone on since i was commissioner when we first went below 2% reserve dates. i've heard debates -- [inaudible] i've heard the debate over 3.5 to five. at the end of the day, is that the measure itself measure the greater risk controls for the fha as opposed to having just a good credit banishment protocol that requires underwriting standards that are going to provide sustainability. you can eliminate risk in its entirety. you can require 20% down payment, psycho at 740 and variables that ultimately ensure you have no risk. fha is a unique program. it has an extremely high premiums applied to every single mortgage that can support and this is a terrible way of putting it, but mathematically can support mid to high teens to literacy rates. when you go through an experiment, built on a housing bubble is qu